April 15, 2018
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[CLOV: So you all want me to leave you. HAMM: Naturally. CLOV: Then I’ll leave you. HAMM: You can’t leave us. CLOV: Then I won’t leave you.]
The characters seem to go nowhere in this play. The conversations and actions tend to be cyclical, in this case, Hamm and Clov and their inability to separate from one another. Despite the fact that Hamm and Clov aren’t good for each other, Clov never manages to get away from Hamm. Hamm’s reluctance when it comes to getting rid of Clov (and the fact the Clov never manages to leave) says a lot about the fear of being alone, so even if they absolute despised one another, being together is better than the alternative.
The overwhelming feeling of hopelessness is a constant theme throughout this work. The constant teasing of the break up between Hamm and Clov shows the reader this throughout the work, that regardless of what has happened these two characters have not grown closer, more so they have created rifts between them that will be the eventual downfall of Hamm and Clov. The line from this paragraph stating that “if i don’t come running it means i have left you.” shows just how lonely the two parties are even when they are together. That regardless of what they may be doing or feeling at any given instance one party could be done and gone in a blink of an eye.
I agree with you. I don’t remember the exact paragraph, but up above I believe that Clov says something about nature being gone and Hamm is just out right shocked by this idea. This is where the hopelessness really kicked in for me. The fact that Hamm gets up just to go back to sleep is another example of this. They’re evidently both old and I think we young people have this idea that when death comes we will accept it, but maybe that just isn’t true. Maybe our existence does not come to a sweet ending but, just as you said, really ends in the blink of an eye.
When I first read this, I thought, “Wow! I love how this person writes!” I wanted to read more. I flipped back to read his biography and within that passage I saw the words that burst my bubble, saying how his work is absolutely nothing and about nothing. I see what he’s doing as a unique form of minimalism, almost playful with words and I will have to finish reading this before I can say what I think he is trying to do with this writing. But, I like it so far.
By the end of this story, I was left with so many thought, that until I had researched what this play could represent, couldn’t put into words. All throughout I was just reminded of the suffering of man, and the video version I watched (with David Thewlis and Michael Gambon) furthered the view of dispare and suffering with mankind. The play looked to be during or post-Industrial revolution and how these people had been sucked into the monster of industrialized society. They were mad and repetitive and without God or spirit. They are bound to repeat the same tasks over and over again, showing mankind’s eternal recurrence and inability to create a better life for themselves. These characters are also heavily removed from nature, hardly even able to see the ocean from their tiny windows.
[Nothing is funnier than unhappiness]
Beckett called this the most important line in the play. Note that is says nothing is funnier than unhappiness, not happier than unhappiness–and so not a true paradox. How, within the context of this Absurdist work, can happiness be construed as funny? Note that happiness is about the farthest possible mindset possible from the conditions of the characters in the play. Happiness in this conceptual world is not possible, and so perhaps unhappiness is funny because it is defined by something that does not exist. It is the opposite of nothing. Finally, to define your self as unhappy in a world where happiness is manifestly absent is itself absurd. It’s like being unhappy because you have no wings and can’t fly. The fact is nobody has wings, and so the unhappiness is laughably unrealistic.
[Nothing is funnier than unhappiness, I grant you NELL: that. But— I was trying.]
I must admit, this is a hard reading for me. The absurdism is a bit more than my hard head can handle. But this is truth.
As the Great Philosopher, Mel Brooks said “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall down an open sewer and die.”
It seemed that all of the great comedians have been tortured by depression. You could see that in Robin Williams eyes, that just a glimpse of the tears held back. “For me, comedy starts as a spew, a kind of explosion, and then you sculpt it from there, if at all. It comes out of a deeper, darker side. Maybe it comes from anger, because I’m outraged by cruel absurdities, the hypocrisy that exists everywhere, even within yourself, where it’s hardest to see.” – Robin Williams
For me, comedy starts as a spew, a kind of explosion, and then you sculpt it from there, if at all. It comes out of a deeper, darker side. Maybe it comes from anger, because I’m outraged by cruel absurdities, the hypocrisy that exists everywhere, even within yourself, where it’s hardest to see. Robin Williams
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/comedy
This line seems particularly strong in emphasizing the cyclical nature of humanity. Once one decides they are finished there is typically a feeling of hopelessness when a purpose is accomplished. In the absence of purpose man tends to turn quickly to the next goal. In this light the question must be asked- Are we truly finished? Finality is especially hard to accept when one has directed a significant amount of time and energy toward one thing. In this case we are lead toward the implication that the characters in this story know only of what exists within the walls of this setting. They have confined themselves by settling upon one given end. They have fallen into a cycle which likely repeats every day. This is the trap that many fall into when they decide to accept the comfort of repetition. Clov decides something is finished but when faced with the daunting question of “What next?” he returns to the comfort of goal nearly accomplished.
Samuel Beckett “Endgame”
I’m going to write this as if I knew for certain, even though I don’t, because always writing, maybe and possibly is annoying.
Hamm is equal to the name of Noah’s wicked son, and in this writing Hamm is the center of his own world, within his own mind and his own conception of his own world. Nagg and Nell are those voices of his parents, the perception of them, left after they have died. Clov is his wisdom, his reason and that little voice that sets a man straight in times of crisis. Clov lies, creates in his kitchen and lies about creating, maybe Beckett believed in the subconscious, maybe he didn’t, but he put some scenes in this work that have nothing to do with his theme. When Hamm talks about the dripping in his head, this is a symptom that happens after a migraine. It doesn’t do anything for the storyline and Hamm doesn’t need to be fleshed out with it, since Beckett isn’t fleshing out his characters in this piece.
The stuffed dog represents the materialism that people, even of our time, have a tendency to replace people with. Who doesn’t hold a stuffed dog at night, when the rest of the world is sleeping and the nightmares are hitting and the migraine has begun and nobody is home, not even a real dog? Some of the story is in the real world, most is in Hamm’s head. The point of the whole work is to expose the idea that we all create our own perception of our life. We can build walls, keep our parents in trash cans, run ragged the wisdom God created us with, instead of educating it to give it information that could guide us on a fantastic life path. In Endgame, Hamm choses to turn away from the world, hide inside, withhold education from himself, he does believe in his own failure to life his life. He waits for death and this story is shortly before his death. To do a story of Hamm’s life would be lengthy and empty. The only thing that fills this story is the fact that it’s about Hamm’s last day alive.
There are plenty of symbolisms, references to the bible, God, Jesus, forgiveness or rather the lack of it, rebirth, renewal, and the futility of it all.
Possible Motif meanings:
1. The whistle=The sound a tea pot makes to call us, or a coach calls us, or police stop crimes, or women used to use them to call for help when attacked, etc.
2. Telescope=Conscience and it shows Clov grey lack of black and white morality in the world.
3. Alarm Clock=Endgame, armegeddon, Hamm when he cried as a child for attention and received nothing and possibly developed Reactive Attachment Disorder, Death or time of death.
4. Stuffed dog=Materialism, the lack of comfort brought from people, especially his own parents when he was a baby.
5. Christ=forgiveness, his inability to forgive, to feel forgiven, to see the world as forgiveable.
6. Chess=Endgame or that life is not something that can be won and is lost at birth, because nobody can win, everyone eventually loses their life.
7. Gaff=Putting forth effort is futile and will not prevent death in the end of the game of life.
8. The stories about the little boy=Sometimes feeling as if his mother and father are not his mother and father, because they didn’t tend him when he cried as a youth and with reactive attachment disorder one can only feel anything for a stranger that rescues them and only until that stranger gets too close and is then seen as a parental figure and the reactive attachment disorder causes the person with the syndrome to push that person away. They can only get so close to anyone and then they have to pull back or get really mean to the person, rejecting them before they can be rejected, since it hurt too much being rejected as a baby, bad enough that some babies die from not being held and attended.
Every character in the story is Hamm, part of Hamm’s conscious mind, his inside thought processes.
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April 17, 2018 at 10:49 pm
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April 27, 2018 at 2:08 pm
This poem emphasizes the cyclical qualities of life. This stanza acknowledges the transition from the innocence of youth into a complicated older society. It demonstrates how happiness and youth are fleeting. In the previous stanza we are told about a carefree old man. He demonstrates how in our old age we might return to the same wonderous joy of youth. Although the elderly might posess this same happy disposition, the still carry wisdom and pain with the memories of a complicated life. Many reminisce about the simplicity of being a young girl or boy where everything is exciting and new. It takes a realist perspective where, “The sun does descend,/And our sports have an end.” This poem demonstrates how neither happiness nor sorrow are permanent afflictions. The cycle continues with no true end in sight.
April 27, 2018 at 1:58 pm
In the final stanza we see that, while the narrator doesn’t truly move to the Lake Isle of Innisfree, he takes the isle with him in his thoughts, memory, and temperament. He is expressing how he will take refuge in his memory of the isle in order to live amongst society while embracing a feeling of peace and connection with nature. Even, “While [he stands] on the roadway, or on the pavements grey”, he is able to connect with the Isle in his , “deep heart’s core” and in his soul. This is a form of escapism, while he still allows himself to be somewhat entrapped by a materialistic society. He gives in to most social conventions while holding on to romantic ideals.
April 27, 2018 at 1:48 pm
This poem reminds me of Henry David Thoreau’s Walden. The narrator desires to escape from society by living alone in nature. This is likely in response to an increasingly industrialized society. He glorifies nature and it’s peaceful qualities by describing the Lake of Innisfree with a natural supernaturalist perspective. This sort of ideal is expressed often throughout the arts and can be described as a romantic perspective.
April 26, 2018 at 1:51 pm
The final stanza in Dover beach is provoking in that Arnold speaks to lover about a dark and unhappy world. His is a realists perspective, likely in light of a declining faith in humanity and religion. This is a time, “Where ignorant armies clash by night”. In the dawn of industrialization conflict seems prevalent as society becomes materialistic. At this time society was fighting unaware over materialistic, and capitalistic reasons. Arnold has lost faith in humanity and struggles to move past, “The eternal note of sadness”. His is a romantic perspective where he looks at war, materialism, industrialization, and capitalism, as a true decline in humanity with no end in sight.
April 24, 2018 at 11:45 am
This poem exemplifies the transcendent ideals of writers in this period. “I’m happiest when most away” followed by, “I can bear my soul from its home of clay” suggests that the author finds happiness in spirit. She desires a freedom that comes with escaping the physical world before her. The, “home of clay” she speaks of is likely her physical body. In some religions a deity creates humans with clay. This poem is likely demonstrating escapism where the author would enjoy escaping reality if only in spirit. This is likely a response to industrialization which tends to strengthen attachment to the physical/material aspects of society.
April 24, 2018 at 12:13 am
Yes, definitely hearing your lover tell you they love you while meaning it is beautiful to the soul. Sometimes, though, feeling it is more important. The passionate intensity throughout the whole poem shows that she does need to hear it more than feel it. It soothes the soul to hear your lover telling you how they love you.
April 24, 2018 at 12:02 am
The forbidden fruit is indeed strong throughout the whole of the poem, I wholeheartedly agree. It seems that Laura is full of curiosity, but is that on the whole wrong? I think Lizzie’s warnings are what made Laura curious; a lot like the parent telling the teenager not to do something which in tern makes the teenager even MORE inclined to do it.
April 23, 2018 at 10:54 pm
This whole poem brings to mind an ending, as in a changing of the season; possibly a spring straight into winter. There is a loss and isolation feel to it, especially at the mention of Danae. I do love winter and I know now everyone does, which is why to me this feels like he’s writing about an ending of a beautiful spring.
April 23, 2018 at 9:52 pm
There are two phrases that stand out to me in this: train-oil breath and petitionary growl. I have no idea why, but the first thing that came to my mind is world weariness. Carlyle is excellently descriptive about this Hyperborean Bear, this Russian Smuggler. Carlyle is trying to explain to him that he is absolutely not interested and who can blame him? It’s only after he shows the Russian his pistols that the Russian backs off. An everlasting no? If the pistols hadn’t dissuaded him, Carlyle might have been involved in a Duel, which is not something he wanted.
April 23, 2018 at 8:54 pm
I, too, thought war when I read this. The hope he shows until the stanza you mentioned was palpable, but so is his despair.
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